instead of loaning us marks toward 20 plus. there are things that are ultimately up for play. mortgage interest deduction is up for play and the health care that it provides for you, that's taxed at some point. at the least, it's means tested and some people aren't going to get it, but ultimately, this government has a ferocious appetite for spending and all of these cuts that we're talking about, even though they will hurt everyone, they're just a drop in the bucket for where we're going. >> i just laughed, ben, as soon as you saw mortgage deduction, i was ready to go-- >> houses and a problem-- >> how much did you say. >> don't you have nine houses? >> more than that. more than that. >> don't admit that, ben. >> the ideas clobbering the housing market on its knees after it's been on its back four or five years, that's crazy, craziness. >> more on the housing market coming up. i don't want to stick to that, but that-- again, we don't want ben to faint in the middle of the segment, but, sarah, this just raises the issue, and it's something that i said to todd. there are so man